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What It Means to be a Product Manager, with Jessica Sweeney

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Ask for a definition of the terms product manager and product management and you’ll get a different answer depending on who is answering the question! So what does it actually mean to be a product manager in the tech world?

Here to tell us is Jessica Sweeney. Jessica is a product management and marketing executive in the B2B, IoT and SaaS industries. During her career she’s found what a good PM does and doesn’t do, and why sometimes CTOs find themselves in the role of PM You’ll have to join us to hear the reasons on this episode of CTO Studio.

In this episode you’ll hear:

  • Why CTOs and product managers often have much in common.
  • Is empathy always on the opposite side of efficiency?
  • What is the key role of a product manager?
  • Why we should write down the expectations of the roles we are in.
  • What can Wayne Gretzky teach us about the marketplace?
  • And so much more!

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When I saw Jessica draw a model during one of our local meetings I knew she needed to be on the show. She gives an audio picture of that model by first explaining product management means a lot of different things to many people, there isn’t much consistency to the term.

One of the reasons for that inconsistency is product managers are often the “gap fillers”; they are the glue that holds all the different departments together, which is how it was originally conceived. Today in tech we have the same idea of a product manager bringing together lots of different stakeholders to make the product successful.

Next she explains a gap filler that often means an individual product manager will stretch to fill whatever gaps exist in that different company. Because every different company has different gaps there is difference among product managers.

Then she describes the model she drew when I first met her: think of a product management job as a hub and spoke. If we put the product manager at the center of this hub and all of the other departments involved in the success of this product as the outside of the rim then we can imagine how far out to the edge does that product manager stretch. We can then see the different ways in which the product manager is filling these gaps.

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Product managers are often called on to do a lot without a lot of resources as a way to prove they deserve to get the needed resources. But in larger organizations, it’s about keeping everyone pointed at the same goal and making sure everyone understands the context of what they are trying to achieve.

Her personal style is not telling people how to do what they need to do but to make sure everyone understands the outcome trying to be reached. She believes that is the key role of a product manager and what differentiates that position from everyone else in a leadership role in the organization.

My next question was about efficiency or empathy: is one more important depending on someone’s position? She disagrees with the idea that empathy is on the opposite side of efficiency because a developer has to make a thousand minute decisions about how to build what they are trying to build.

So if we start at the beginning to give the context that the developer needs to understand more clearly what we are trying to achieve and who we are trying to achieve it for very often the answers become obvious to that expert developer. She is referring to lower level decisions in this respect, not that all questions and decisions become obvious.

I asked if she means she wants her teams to have what the customer would want in those daily decisions which aren’t visible at the statement of work level. Jessica says yes, they’ve tried in the past to do huge specifications that got every level of detail and they found it just doesn’t work. So agile is partly about giving that kind of context (knowing what the customer would want) to the developers and letting them do their work with that context in mind.

Then we dive into what makes a good PM and some of the mistakes she has witnessed junior PMs make and how others can avoid them. Jessica explains why the common idea that the product manager is really the CEO of the product actually causes a lot of problems. She thinks it’s straight up wrong because the essence of product management is influence without authority. She says PMs are like the reverse Spiderman: with great responsibility comes no power!

She sees relationships sour when PMs think people should do what they ask because the PM believes they are responsible for the launch of the product. It just doesn’t work that way: engineers are experts at what they are experts at. So trying to tell people to do things a certain way just because you said so just doesn’t work.

It’s not how people are wired so if a PM does this (typically a junior PM) then it won’t work and will negatively impact the relationships that PM has.

This negative impact has a way of showing up as timeline issues, so when talking about the responsibilities of a PM she really buy into the idea that a PM is responsible for what needs to be built and the engineering team must be responsible for the estimate of how it takes to make it.

That means if a CTO or head of engineering comes to her and says this is the timeline for what you’ve asked for she doesn’t get to say build the same thing faster. All she gets to do is decide on the priorities. Engineers get total control over the timeline and estimation and the product managers get to then prioritize what can be done within that time frame.

We also discuss why an engineering-led organization doesn’t always work nor does a sales-led organization, and what does instead, and why CTOs or CEOs are often product managers without realizing it. We wrap up by talking about which teams she likes working with the most, why it’s good to be wrong, and her love of sailing.

Episode Resources:

ProductCamp San Diego
Jessica Sweeney on LinkedIn

Cracking The PM Interview, by Gayle Laakman McDowell

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